Part 10 - Taube LANDAU Goes East
Last week, when I was writing about my great great great grandmother Nesche LANDAU geb. LANDAU, mainly speculating about when she died, I noted the naming pattern of her grandchildren from the 4 of her 10 children who were known to have married and had offspring.
As I reviewed what I knew of Nesche's children, I lingered a bit over her daughter Taube. Taube and the last child Samuel were the only two for whom nothing was known after their births -- no death information, no nothing. It was a brief linger, just to wonder what became of Taube.
I posted that blog entry on Sunday or Monday. Monday's e-mails brought a note from Brother Isidore at St. Mary's Monastery, my mother's 5th cousin with whom I have been collaborating on LANDAU family research for the past two years. While tracing another line of the LANDAU family, he had run across the 1847 marriage of Tauba LANDAU, daughter of Chaskiel and Nesza.
Taube had lived, married and had children, 8 of them. The information available from the indexing work of Jewish Records Indexing - Poland was a great cache. JRI-Poland has even made links to many of the original documents.
Taube had married Jakob Hersz SZRAJBMAN, a merchant in Lublin in 1847. With no information at hand, I wondered how Taube of Kempen had come to marry Jakob Hersz of Lublin. Reviewing all the SRZAJBMAN (it has been hard to get my fingers to type "SCHREIBMANN" that way) birth, marriage and death entries, a possible story about the match between Taube and Jakob Hersz became evident.
It looks like Jakob Hersz was first married to Zlata JANOWICZOW ("bat Jonas") from the 1810s to her death in 1847. Their son Tojwia Jone SZRAJBMAN (1826-1851) married Chaia Gitla ASCHKENAZI (ca.1828-1874), first cousin of Nesche LANDAU. So, when Jakob Hersz' first wife had died, he or his family or someone in Lublin must have looked to the family of his son's wife to find a suitable candidate to be his second wife, and Chaia Gitla's contemporary and first-cousin-once-removed was found. (Or, it might have been instigated from the other side, the LANDAU / ASCHKENAZI family of Kempen.)
So Taube married East to Lublin and spawned a whole line of Lublin cousins (with some migration to Radom and Warsaw). In quick order, I found a new 4th cousin once removed living in England where she is finishing up her Master's thesis. I also found several new cousins who were murdered in the Shoah, and some survivors who were living in Israel after the War (search in progress for WEISBORDs (WEISBARDs) and KOTZs).
Going back to theme of the last blog about Nesche's granddaughters and speculation about when Nesche died, one of the first things I wanted to know about Taube and her children was whether she had named one Nanny. There was no daughter named Nanny, but there was a Nesza. After having daughters Gilta Mala (b.1848) and Fajga (b.1850), Nesza was born in 1859. (Sadly, she died in 1860.) Taube only had sons between Fajga and Nesza, so this set of children does not really help solve the uncertainty about when Taube's mother Nesche LANDAU geb. LANDAU died.
To the outline from last time, we can add the information about Taube:
* Joseph Hirsch's children are not known well enough to consider in this context; he did name a daughter Fanny in 1852
* Hendla named her 9th or 10th child Nani in 1859, having had daughters in 1848, 1850, 1852, 1854 and 1856
* Taube named a daughter Nesza in 1859, having had daughters in 1848 and 1850
* Israel Jonas named his first child Nanny in 1851
* Sara died married in 1860, but whether she had children is unknown
* Amalie named her first child Nanny in 1862
One cannot tell whether Nesche had died before 1851, as suggested by Israel Jonas' daughter Nanny (b.1851), or wheher she died in the late 1850s, as suggested by Hendla's daughter Nani (b.1859). I cannot explain Israel Jonas' naming decision, but for some reason, I still lean toward Nesche's death date being about 1858. But, maybe that is just because it was my original (if somewhat misinformed) theory.
Welcome to the family to all the descendants of Taube LANDAU and Jakob Hersz SZRAJBMAN!
Saturday, December 5, 2015
Monday, November 30, 2015
Nesche and the Nannies (Part 9 of 6)
Part 9 - Nesche LANDAU geb. LANDAU
I need to reconsider my basis for estimating the death date for Nesche LANDAU geb. LANDAU (b.ca.1804).
In two recent blog entries, I have explained my rationale for concluding that Nesche died in the late 1850s, probably between September 1856 and February 1859. That was based on the naming of her granddaughters Nanny in "1859, 1863, and after 1852 (perhaps ca.1858)".
The last part of that sentence is incorrect. That was my assumption back in July 2014 when I first checked the naming pattern of Nesche's grandchildren. At that time, based on review of Myslowitz Jewish community records back in 2009, I had the information that Nanny was a daughter of Israel Jonas LANDAU and Eva LICHTENFELD, but that particular entry in the Myslowitz records was largely illegible. Based on the location of Nanny's birth entry in the records, Nanny appeared to be their first child, born before Lazar Bernhard (b.5 January 1853).
Possibly because I learned that Israel Jonas and Eva were married in 1852 (in Opatow / Apt), I seem not to have assumed that Nanny was born before Lazar Bernhard, despite her birth record coming physically and chronologically before his in the Myslowitz records.
Having not assigned an estimated birth date for Nanny, when I looked at the naming pattern in 2014, I saw the marriage date of 1852 and children's births in 1853, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1857, 1860, 1861 and 1864, I noticed the gap between 1857 and 1860, and allowed myself to speculate that Nanny was born in that period (ca.1858). That could have been a reasonable guess, if not for the location of Nanny birth entry in the Myslowitz records.
In March 2015, when I found the Berlin Heiratsregister entry for Nanny and learned that her birth date was 24 February 1851, I did not notice that I had based my theory about Nesche's death date on the uncertainty of when this granddaughter Nanny was born.
But now having noticed that last piece of data, I have to reconsider the Nanny naming pattern:
* Joseph Hirsch's children are not known well enough to consider in this context; he did name a daughter Fanny in 1852
* Hendla named her 9th or 10th child Nani in 1859, having had daughters in 1848, 1850, 1852, 1854 and 1856
* Israel Jonas named his first child Nanny in 1851
* Sara died married in 1860, but whether she had children is unknown
* Amalie named her first child Nanny in 1862
A naming pattern is now harder to discern.
It would be easy to assume that Nesche died before 1851. But if she died so early, why did Hendla fail to name one of her earlier daughters Nesche or Nanny; she went to the names Faigla, Bajla, Emma, Chana, and possibly Rachel, before naming a daughter Nani in 1859.
Unless the girls named Nanny were not named in memory of Nesche, she either died before 1851 and the question about Hendla's name selections remains, or she died about 1858, and the question is why did Israel Jonas name a daughter Nanny already in 1851.
Two out of three scenarios lead to the conclusion that Nesche had died by 1859, enabling her husband Haskel LANDAU to re-marry in the 1860s. The third scenario is that the naming of granddaughters Nanny has nothing to do with Nesche and provides no clues as to when Nesche died.
I think I cannot reach a conclusion with the available information.
I need to reconsider my basis for estimating the death date for Nesche LANDAU geb. LANDAU (b.ca.1804).
In two recent blog entries, I have explained my rationale for concluding that Nesche died in the late 1850s, probably between September 1856 and February 1859. That was based on the naming of her granddaughters Nanny in "1859, 1863, and after 1852 (perhaps ca.1858)".
The last part of that sentence is incorrect. That was my assumption back in July 2014 when I first checked the naming pattern of Nesche's grandchildren. At that time, based on review of Myslowitz Jewish community records back in 2009, I had the information that Nanny was a daughter of Israel Jonas LANDAU and Eva LICHTENFELD, but that particular entry in the Myslowitz records was largely illegible. Based on the location of Nanny's birth entry in the records, Nanny appeared to be their first child, born before Lazar Bernhard (b.5 January 1853).
Possibly because I learned that Israel Jonas and Eva were married in 1852 (in Opatow / Apt), I seem not to have assumed that Nanny was born before Lazar Bernhard, despite her birth record coming physically and chronologically before his in the Myslowitz records.
Having not assigned an estimated birth date for Nanny, when I looked at the naming pattern in 2014, I saw the marriage date of 1852 and children's births in 1853, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1857, 1860, 1861 and 1864, I noticed the gap between 1857 and 1860, and allowed myself to speculate that Nanny was born in that period (ca.1858). That could have been a reasonable guess, if not for the location of Nanny birth entry in the Myslowitz records.
In March 2015, when I found the Berlin Heiratsregister entry for Nanny and learned that her birth date was 24 February 1851, I did not notice that I had based my theory about Nesche's death date on the uncertainty of when this granddaughter Nanny was born.
But now having noticed that last piece of data, I have to reconsider the Nanny naming pattern:
* Joseph Hirsch's children are not known well enough to consider in this context; he did name a daughter Fanny in 1852
* Hendla named her 9th or 10th child Nani in 1859, having had daughters in 1848, 1850, 1852, 1854 and 1856
* Israel Jonas named his first child Nanny in 1851
* Sara died married in 1860, but whether she had children is unknown
* Amalie named her first child Nanny in 1862
A naming pattern is now harder to discern.
It would be easy to assume that Nesche died before 1851. But if she died so early, why did Hendla fail to name one of her earlier daughters Nesche or Nanny; she went to the names Faigla, Bajla, Emma, Chana, and possibly Rachel, before naming a daughter Nani in 1859.
Unless the girls named Nanny were not named in memory of Nesche, she either died before 1851 and the question about Hendla's name selections remains, or she died about 1858, and the question is why did Israel Jonas name a daughter Nanny already in 1851.
Two out of three scenarios lead to the conclusion that Nesche had died by 1859, enabling her husband Haskel LANDAU to re-marry in the 1860s. The third scenario is that the naming of granddaughters Nanny has nothing to do with Nesche and provides no clues as to when Nesche died.
I think I cannot reach a conclusion with the available information.
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